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Bush's personality assessment
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George H. W. Bush's personality assessment
“I'm not a very formal guy to begin with. Condi
and the Secretary of State, Colin, can give you a better sense of what my
style is like. I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of
time thinking about myself, about why I do things. The meetings are informal,
they're kind of relaxed. I think one of my styles is trying to relax people.”
President George W. Bush, June 4, 2003, President Meets with Reporters on Air
"Long ago I determined Bush was ESFJ."
probably getting confused since he extraverts feeling. Sensing is his dominant,
Ti is his auxiliary."
I disagree. I think it’s apparent that he extroverts feeling because that is
his ‘dominant’ function. It appears irrational because he is spoiled and has
grown comfortable speaking his mind. The appropriate personality theory adage
is, “Extroverts speak before thinking and Introverts think before speaking”.
After finding a person's dominant function you can then look for evidence of a
poorly developed inferior function. This is usually very difficult to do with
world leaders because to achieve such a position of influence you ‘usually’ have to
have developed all four functions. For example I contend Gore 'appears' to be NT
dominant because as ESTJ (yes ISTJ is also possible) the functions he extroverts
are both Te and Ne.
In the following description of an ESFJ I think you can see President Bush’s
personality reflected in the messages he chooses to emphasize and repeat. You
can also see what a wonderful spokesperson he can be for a manipulative
organization populated by people well versed in Public Relations and PsyOps.
(e.g. the CIA, Republican business and religious leaders) This could explain why
he is so convincing when he is telling a lie. It’s very likely in many cases he
does ‘not know’ he is lying.
an ESFJ - The Caregiver
“ESFJs respect and believe in the laws and rules of authority, and believe
that others should do so as well. They're traditional, and prefer to do things
in the established way, rather than venturing into unchartered territory. Their
need for security drives their ready acceptance and adherence to the policies of
the established system. This tendency may cause them to sometimes blindly accept
rules without questioning or understanding them.”
“ESFJs incorporate many of the traits that are associated with women in our
society. However, male ESFJs will usually not appear feminine at all. On the
contrary, ESFJs are typically quite conscious about gender roles and will be
most comfortable playing a role that suits their gender in our society. Male
ESFJs will be quite masculine (albeit sensitive when you get to know them), and
female ESFJs will be very feminine.”
“…ESFJs who have not had the advantage of developing their own values by
weighing them against a good external value system may develop very questionable
values. In such cases, the ESFJ most often genuinely believes in the integrity
of their skewed value system. They have no internal understanding of values to
set them straight. In weighing their values against our society, they find
plenty of support for whatever moral transgression they wish to justify. This
type of ESFJ is a dangerous person indeed. Extraverted Feeling drives them to
control and manipulate, and their lack of Intuition prevents them from seeing
the big picture. They're usually quite popular and good with people, and good at
manipulating them. Unlike their ENFJ cousin, they don't have Intuition to help
them understand the real consequences of their actions. They are driven to
manipulate others to achieve their own ends, yet they believe that they are
following a solid moral code of conduct.”
O'Neill Book Paints Devastating Portrait of Bush
Tue, Jan 13, 2004
By Alan Elsner
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill's
portrait of George W. Bush depicts a passive and superficial president
surrounded by right-wing ideologues who lacks the intellectual rigor or even the
curiosity to think through the effects of his policies.
O'Neill, who served from January 2001 until he was ousted in December 2002, made
headlines over the weekend for his assertion that Bush began laying the
groundwork for an invasion of Iraq almost immediately after taking office.
That was nine months before the administration began saying Iraqi weapons of
mass destruction presented an immediate threat to the United States in the wake
of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington.
In detailed recollections of cabinet infighting and his own one-on-one meetings
with Bush, as recounted to Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Ron Suskind,
O'Neill provides a rare insight into an unusually secretive administration and
glimpses of a president with sometimes unusual priorities.
At their first meeting after Bush took office, the president gave O'Neill a
nickname -- Pablo. Later he started calling the secretary "Big O." O'Neill
viewed this as "a bully technique. 'I've given you a name. Now you wear it'."
At that first meeting and many others, Bush asked no questions. "He looked at
O'Neill, not changing his expression, not letting on that he had any reactions
-- either positive or negative," Suskind writes. O'Neill wondered if Bush did
not know the questions to ask or did he know but not want to hear the answers?
In the first National Security Council meeting he presided over on Jan. 30,
2001, Bush quickly decided to put Arab-Israeli peacemaking on the back burner
and concentrate on Iraq.
Bush described meeting then-Israeli opposition leader Ariel Sharon on a December
1998 visit to Israel, when Bush himself was governor of Texas.
"Bush described meeting (Israeli Prime Minister Ariel) Sharon...'We flew over
the Palestinian camps. Looked real bad down there. I don't see much we can do
over there at this point. I think it's time to pull out of that situation'," he
said, according to O'Neill.
Secretary of State Colin Powell warned the consequences of that could be more
bloodshed. "Bush shrugged. 'Maybe that's the best way to get things back in
O'Neill asserts that with Bush unwilling or unable to read detailed briefing
papers, policy was decided on and controlled by Vice President Dick Cheney (news
- web sites), supported by political advisers Karl Rove and Karen Hughes and
National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites) -- a "Praetorian
Guard" that surrounded the president and kept alternative viewpoints out.
In O'Neill's eyes, Bush's "lack of inquisitiveness or pertinent experience"
meant he did not really care about long-established positions of the U.S.
government and was willing to abandon them without scruple or regret.
"The president started from scratch and relied on advice of ideologues without
any honest brokers in sight," O'Neill said.
GEORGE W. BUSH'S JOURNEY The Cheerleader
Earning A's in People Skills at Andover
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF, New York Times
June 10, 2000
Yet there was one important area where young George did excel: people
skills. It was in high school that he first seemed to cultivate them and
exhibit them, using the tactics that show through in that photo -- wisecracking
showmanship -- to carve out an identity for himself, an identity that is more
subdued today but otherwise intact.
It was also then that George W., while forging countless loyal friendships, also
began to turn some people off with what they saw as arrogance, emptiness and a
tendency to smirk and be dismissive.
No one thought of George W. Bush as a future politician, and he seemed oblivious
to the civil rights struggle and other issues of the day. But he worked hard to
remember everyone's name and managed to worm his way into the limelight. Early
on, he showed one of the most fundamental political skills: the ability to make
people feel good.
"You can definitely see the germination of leadership there, even though the
activity was not anything you would call political," said Randall Roden, a
childhood friend of George who also attended Andover. "He was learning those
skills, or perfecting them, at Andover."
This question of privilege is one that rankles Mr. Bush, and when he was asked
about it in a long interview about his past, he became prickly.
"I think I'm asked that all the time," Mr. Bush scolded. "It's interesting, they
always use the word 'Smith,' too." He deepened and modulated his voice to mimic
a television interviewer: " 'Would you be standing here as presidential
candidate if your name were George Smith?' Well, you know, it's not George
Smith. It is George Bush. And how did it influence? I don't have any idea."
I present the following quotes to support my contention that Bush is ESFJ (Fe Si Ne Ti).
I think these quotes are more likely his words reflecting his thoughts than
words written for him such as those in his prepared speeches like the State of
Bush is well known for poor word choice which argues for inferior Ti which would
be the case with dominant Fe. Here are two pages worth.
Bush’s reasoning is dominated by subjective reasoning (feeling) even when
The Physiology of Jung’s Four Functions & Their Organization
"The difference between the Feeling Function and Emotions can be understood
more clearly. The Feeling Function is a cortical capacity to recognize the
presence or absence of harmony – between colors, tones, or human beings. By
contrast, emotions are a limbic capacity to experience delight, anger, fear,
"I don't want nations feeling like that they can bully
ourselves and our allies. I want to have a ballistic defense system so that we
can make the world more peaceful, and at the same time I want to reduce our own
nuclear capacities to the level commiserate with keeping the peace."
Bush, Des Moines, Iowa, Oct. 23, 2000
Described China primarily in terms of how ‘people’ are effected.
"Anyway, I went from the West Point of capitalism to
China, which had just come off the Cultural Revolution, and there was no market.
It was just like government had just decided to make every decision for
everybody, and it was the most drab, uninspiring place to be. And I was amazed
that a country of a billion people could have no choice, no consumerism, no
opportunity for someone to express their own opinion."
George Bush: Refusing to accept the premise
Cites ‘love’ as major influence. Influence of the ‘heart’.
“Asked about influences on his life, Bush cited his
parents' unconditional love that gave him the confidence to risk failure.“
"I guess the best way to explain it is that he
planted a seed in my heart.”
"I hope I'm a better person for it. I hope I'm a more loving person.”
George Bush: Refusing to accept the premise
Instead of being filled with anger, Bush fights back tears and declares he is a
“loving guy” first and someone with a job to do second. Dominant ST would have
the reverse order.
“The President turned away for a moment and bowed his
head a little. When he looked back to reporters, his eyes were filled with
tears. "Well, I don't think of myself right now," President Bush said, his eyes
still glazed over with moisture. "I think about the families, the children."
“At this point the President was blinking to fight back the tears. "I'm a loving
guy. And I am also someone, however, who's got a job to do and I intend to do
House Diary: Reporting in the White House Will Never be the Same
It’s noted in this article that, “President Bush was there to put an arm
around the rescuers and family members of victims.”
“In New York, when he said through a megaphone, "I hear
you and the world hears you," these off-the-cuff words had more effect than
anything his speechwriters could have concocted.”
Bush provides lessons in crisis communications
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Campaigning Bush puts focus on economy - 10-26-2004
"It really gets me when the critics say I haven't done enough for the economy,"
he said. "I mean, look what I've done for the book publishing industry.”
- George W. Bush, Sunday, May 2, 2004
The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House, and the Education of
by Ron Suskind
The George W. Bush White House, as described by former Treasury Secretary Paul
O'Neill, is a world out of kilter. Policy decisions are determined not by
careful weighing of an issue's complexities; rather, they're dictated by a cabal
of ideologues and political advisors operating outside the view of top cabinet
officials. The President is not a fully engaged administrator but an enigma who
is, at best, guarded and poker-faced but at worst, uncurious, unintelligent, and
a puppet of larger forces.
Where the Right Went Wrong: How Neoconservatives Subverted the Reagan
Revolution and Hijacked the Bush Presidency
by Patrick J. Buchanan
Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror
by Richard A. Clarke
Clarke, a veteran Washington insider who had advised presidents Reagan, George
H.W. Bush, Clinton, and George W. Bush, dissects each man's approach to
terrorism but levels the harshest criticism at the latter Bush and his advisors
who, Clarke asserts, failed to take terrorism and Al-Qaeda seriously. Clarke
details how, in light of mounting intelligence of the danger Al-Qaeda presented,
his urgent requests to move terrorism up the list of priorities in the early
days of the administration were met with apathy and procrastination and how,
after the attacks took place, Bush and key figures such as Donald Rumsfeld, Paul
Wolfowitz, and Dick Cheney turned their attention almost immediately to Iraq, a
nation not involved in the attacks.
by Tom Clancy, Tony Zinni, Tony Koltz
"In the lead-up to the Iraq War and its later conduct, I saw at a minimum, true
dereliction, negligence, and irresponsibility, at worse, lying, incompetence and
corruption." So says former U.S. Central Command commander in chief Zinni, who
retired in September 2000 and has been outspoken ever since regarding the uses
and abuses of the U.S. military.
Chain of Command : The Road from 9/11 to Abu Ghraib
by Seymour M. Hersh
In Chain of Command, Hersh takes an unflinching look behind the public story of
President Bush's "war on terror" and into the lies and obsessions that led
America into Iraq. He reveals the connections between early missteps in the hunt
for Al Qaeda and disasters on the ground in Iraq. The book includes a new
account of Hersh's pursuit of the Abu Ghraib story and of where, he believes,
responsibility for the scandal ultimately lies.
Worse Than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George W. Bush
by John W. Dean
In Dean's estimation, the secrecy with which Bush and Dick Cheney govern is not
merely a preferred system of management but an obsessive strategy meant to
conceal a deeply troubling agenda of corporate favoritism and a dramatic growth
in unchecked power for the executive branch that put at risk the lives of
American citizens, civil liberties, and the Constitution.
"I'm 50 and I contend that the world is not
moving toward more democracy. This country is a classic example. This country is
a plutocracy not a democracy."
"I'd quibble with that. Looks more like a
kakistocracy to me."
kak·is·toc·ra·cy , "Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled
"We're not deceived by their pretenses to piety. We
have seen their kind before. They're the heirs of all the murderous ideologies
of the 20th century. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical visions,
by abandoning every value except the will to power, they follow in the path of
fascism, Nazism and totalitarianism. …They want to overthrow existing
governments in many Muslim countries such as…”
- Words read by Bush, September 20, 2001
Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President
15 September 2002
The blueprint, uncovered by the Sunday Herald, for the creation of a 'global Pax
Americana' was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice- president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence
secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), George W Bush's younger brother
Jeb and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding
America's Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century, was
written in September 2000 by the neo-conservative think-tank Project for the New
American Century (PNAC).
The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf
region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says: 'The United States
has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security.
While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification,
the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the
issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.'
“Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change,
is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like
a new Pearl Harbor."
International Law Seen at Risk in U.S. Fight with Security Council
Jul 5, 2002
"The real reason behind Washington's blackmail [in the Security Council] is the
most troubling," …"An increasingly influential faction in the Bush
administration believes that U.S. military and economic power is so dominant
that the U.S. is no longer served by international law."
O'Neill Book Paints Devastating Portrait of Bush
Jan 13, 2004
Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill's portrait of George W. Bush depicts
a passive and superficial president surrounded by right-wing ideologues who
lacks the intellectual rigor or even the curiosity to think through the effects
of his policies.
Project for the New American Century
The Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational
organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American
leadership is good both for America and for the world; that such leadership
requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle;
and that too few political leaders today are making the case for global
"The Republicans---- using Christian
conservatives--- simply have them fooled………….. and the mindless masses of rural
yokels continue to support a party that couldn’t possibly care less about
them……. that is, unless they happen to fall within the wealthiest 1-2% of the
“It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic;
but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me
to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations
have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the
money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon
the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and
the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of
my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my
suspicions may prove groundless."
- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864, (letter to Col. William F.
"Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear -- kept us in a
continuous stampede of patriotic fervor -- with the cry of grave national
emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous
foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind
it by furnishing the exorbitant funds demanded."
- US General Douglas MacArthur, 1957
Making a mint inside "the iron triangle" of defense, government, and industry.
January 8, 2002
In running what its own marketing literature spookily calls "a vast,
interlocking, global network of businesses and investment professionals" that
operates within the so-called iron triangle of industry, government, and the
military, the Carlyle Group leaves itself open to any number of conflicts of
interest and stunning ironies.
“We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or
democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and
knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and
military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that
security and liberty may prosper together. “
- President Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address (1961)
”The "Unsettling Specter of Peace" raises "knotty `peace' questions," the Wall
Street Journal observes. Crucially, it threatens the regular resort to the
military Keynesian programs that have served as the major device of state
economic management through the postwar years. … It is, however, a rather lame
hope; how will the public be bludgeoned into paying the costs, without a
plausible Red Menace on the horizon?”
“When a country is in harmony with the Tao,
the factories make trucks and tractors.
When a country goes counter to the Tao,
warheads are stockpiled outside the cities.
There is no greater illusion than fear,
no greater wrong than preparing to defend yourself,
no greater misfortune than having an enemy.
Whoever can see through all fear
will always be safe.”
- Lao-tzu , Tao-te ching “The Book of the Way and Its Power”
<< Now humankind has found another theater for
war. Killing can literally reach new heights. We should all be proud of our
Na-qoy-qatsi: N. From the Hopi Language. 1. A life of killing each other 2. War
as a way of life. 3. (Interpreted) Civilized violence.
futurism, a technological singularity is a
point in the
development of a
civilization at which
accelerates beyond the ability of present-day
humans to fully
comprehend or predict. This prognosis is based on
data showing the acceleration of various trends in the human civilisation...
Since the term technological singularity refers both the the advance of
technology and their impact on the human
can be also understood as a
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately,
saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy
coming, and of the end of the world?
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there
shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Leaked Pentagon report warns climate change may bring famine, war: report
Feb 22, 2004
The report, quoted in the paper, concluded: "Disruption and conflict will be
endemic features of life.... Once again, warfare would define human life."
1.7 THE LAW OF DISRUPTION, OR SECOND-ORDER EFFECTS
This is not the world of the future but the one we already live in... It's
already begun, and it will make feudalism look mild by comparison. We refer to
these second-order effects, the combination of Moore's Law and Metcalfe's Law,
as the Law of Disruption. It can be simply stated as follows: Social, political,
and economic systems change incrementally, but technology changes exponentially.
Prophecy Rock - Hopi Prophecy
The present world is separated into two paths. The lower path is followed by the
One-Hearted people, and leads into a Paradise on Earth. The upper path is that
of the Two-Hearted people and leads to self-destruction. It is the path of
technology without spirituality. … This time is known as the Day of
Purification, when it is said that common people the world over will become
disillusioned with the world leaders, and band together to fight for world
Doomsday Clock set closer to Armageddon
27 February, 2002
He believed that the Drake Equation suggested that a large number of
extraterrestrial civilizations would form, but that the lack of evidence of such
civilizations suggests that technological civilizations tend to destroy
themselves rather quickly. This stimulated his interest in identifying ways that
humanity could destroy itself, with the hope of avoiding such destruction and
eventually becoming a space-faring species.
The great Way is easy,
yet people prefer the side paths.
Be aware when things are out of balance.
Stay centered within the Tao.
When rich speculators prosper
While farmers lose their land;
when government officials spend money
on weapons instead of cures;
when the upper class is extravagant and irresponsible
while the poor have nowhere to turn-
all this is robbery and chaos.
It is not in keeping with the Tao.
- Lao-tzu , Tao-te ching “The Book of the Way and Its Power”
<< But this is not a battle between good
and evil. It's a battle for the growth of human civilization and maturity. >>
“In Clarke's 1953 novel, called Childhood's End, humanity reaches something like
a singularity and must then make the transition to a higher state of
"Nature shows that with the growth of intelligence comes increased capacity for
pain, and it is only with the highest degree of intelligence that suffering
reaches its supreme point."
- Arthur Schopenhauer,
IQ scores are rising so dramatically, say researchers who study intelligence,
that a high proportion of people considered average at the turn of the 20th
century would be regarded as significantly below average by today's tests.
"It's a genuine mystery," said John Loehlin, a University of Texas-Austin
professor of psychology. "All of the explanations given are probably true, but
it's still hard to see how they would account for such a large jump."
- Todd Ackerman, 3/15/1998, Experts at loss to explain large jump in average IQ
James Flynn, a political scientist working in New Zealand, observed in the
1980's that the scores of different groups of people on standard intelligence
tests had consistently augmented over the past decades.
Since then, the so-called "Flynn effect" has been confirmed by numerous studies.
The same pattern, an average increase of over three IQ points per decade, was
found for virtually every type of intelligence test, delivered to virtually
every type of group.
The increase was highest, 20 points per generation (30 years), in Belgium,
Holland and Israel, and lowest, 10 points per generation, in Denmark and Sweden.
Although the data are limited, it moreover seems that the increase is
One might expect that the Flynn effect would be more clear for tests that
emphasize culture or education. The opposite is true, however: the increase is
most striking for tests measuring the ability to recognize abstract, non-verbal
patterns. Tests emphasizing traditional school knowledge show much less
progress. This means that something more profound than mere accumulation of data
is happening inside people's heads. None of the scientists who have studied the
effect can offer a simple explanation.
For one type of test, Raven's Progressive Matrices, Flynn found data that
spanned a complete century. He concluded that someone who scored among the best
10% a hundred years ago, would nowadays be categorized among the 5% weakest.
That means that someone who would be considered bright a century ago, should now
be considered a moron!
- Principia Cybernetica Web, Increasing intelligence: the Flynn effect
Revelation 9 (KJV)
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth,
neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the
seal of God in their foreheads.
The Physiology of Type
By Katherine Benziger, Ph.D., © March 1998; September 1999
Jung’s four Functions are rooted in four distinct areas of the cortex. Thinking
is housed in the Left Frontal Lobe. Intuition is housed in the Right Frontal
Lobe. Sensation is housed in the Left Posterior Convexity. Feeling is housed in
the Right Posterior Convexity.
<< Know one knows what "god" is... Most people can't
even solve a simple algebra problem, for crying out loud. No one will ever know
what this universe is. >>
Where you see the word God, God = x. Solve for x.
"Common to all these types is the anthropomorphic
character of their conception of God. In general, only individuals of
exceptional endowments, and exceptionally high-minded communities, rise to any
considerable extent above this level. …The individual feels the futility of
human desires and aims and the sublimity and marvelous order which reveal
themselves both in nature and in the world of thought. Individual existence
impresses him as a sort of prison and he wants to experience the universe as a
single significant whole."
- Albert Einstein, Religion and Science
In The Beginning
“The first Stone of the Sun Bear Medicine Wheel is in honor of Creator,
represents Creator, is Creator in the Wheel. In the Wheel building cermony this
Stone is placed first, with prayer and song, and in the very center of the space
you have marked out for the Wheel.”
“…The Creator is the beginning of life and its ending, the Great Mystery within
all things and around all things, the Universal Energy"..."In many Native
languages the word for Creator… "was a verb, indicating the movement, the
activity, the motion, the pulsation of this sacred, never-ending force."
Black holes: mothers of the Universe?
Cynthia Reynolds, January 13, 2000
"Black holes aren't exactly the celestial darlings of our universe. They're
commonly thought of as giant space vacuums slowly and methodically sucking the
universe dry. But these monsters of destruction may not be so monstrous after
all. New research that identifies three new supermassive black holes - bringing
the grand total so far to 20 - adds credence to the theory that massive black
holes are also intricately related to the creation and evolution of galaxies.
Maybe, without black holes, we wouldn't even be here."
Black hole survey sheds light on galaxy formation
June 5, 2000
“Though this secret relationship between a black hole and its host galaxy has
been suspected for the past several years, it is bolstered by the Hubble
discovery of 10 more supermassive black holes in galaxy centers, raising the
total to more than 30 black holes now available for study. "For the first time
we can put strong constraints on the relationship between galaxy formation and
black hole formation and growth," says Kormendy.”
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested
on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Final ‘Proof’ Provided for Milky Way’s Central Black Hole
Oct 17, 2002
While it’s not clear why the Milky Way’s black hole is relatively quiet,
astronomers have long suspected that a black hole is a black hole, and that in a
general sense what’s observed in the Milky Way can be applied to the more
massive objects seen elsewhere. The Milky Way’s black hole may be simply taking
a culinary break after billions of years of high consumption.
<< Why is it so difficult for some Christians to
understand that God created man and all the creatures, and that evolution is how
he did it? >>
“There is no place for dogma in
science. The scientist is free to ask any question, to doubt any assertion, to
seek for any evidence, to correct any error. Where science has been used in the
past to erect a new dogmatism, that dogmatism has found itself incompatible with
the progress of science; and in the end, the dogma has yielded, or science and
freedom have perished together.”
- J. Robert Oppenheimer
"I have encountered a few "creationists" and because they were usually nice,
intelligent people, I have been unable to decide whether they were really
mad, or only pretending to be mad. If I was a religious person, I would consider
creationism nothing less than blasphemy. Do its adherents imagine that God is a
cosmic hoaxer who has created the whole vast fossil record for the sole purpose
of misleading humankind?"
- Arthur C. Clarke
Revelation 3:5-6 : (KJV)
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not
blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my
Father, and before his angels.
6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
From my own research I’ve discovered that if you divide the geological time
scale by our orbit of the Galaxy and accept ‘increasing’ inaccuracy for older
dates, you will find major events occur at the beginning/end of galactic
‘years’. For example in millions of years, (* dates taken from “The Book of
Life– An Illustrated History of the Evolution of Life on Earth”
~4,800 / 220 = 21.8 (Origin of the Sun) *
~4,600 / 220 = 20.9 (Origin of Earth and Moon) *
~4,000 / 220 = 18.1 (Origin of Life) *
~3,800 / 220 = 17.2 (Oldest known rocks) *
~439 / 220 = 1.99 (Begin Silurian (First land plants) also marks the
Ordovician-Silurian mass extinction) *
~220.7 / 220 = 1.00 (Very rapid mass extinction) – Christopher Behrens on Yahoo!
News BBS, August 13, 2001, Misleading story ,
Genesis 1 (KJV)
And [Elohim] said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening
and the morning were the first day.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the
firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one
place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that
hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the
evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Theory suggests sun's gamma ray burst triggered ancient mass extinction
January 7, 2004
All this happened some 440 million years ago and led to what is known as the
Ordovician extinction, the second most severe of the planet's five great periods
of extinction. The Ordovician was the first of five great extinctions in
history. …the late Triassic, 220 million years ago, killed half of all species;
<< Life never comes from non-living matter by any
natural cause of which we are aware. >>
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality,
they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to
reality....The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mystical
[mysterious]. It is the power of all true art and science. He to whom this
emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting
itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, which our dull
faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive forms - this knowledge,
this feeling, is at the center of true religiousness. In this sense, and in this
sense only, I belong to the rank of devoutly religious men..."
"A human being is part of a whole, called by us the "Universe," a part limited
in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as
something separated from the rest - a kind of optical delusion of his
consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our
personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be
to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles of compassion to
embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
- Albert Einstein
The Gospel According to Mary - Chapter 4
...Will matter then be destroyed or not?
22) The Savior said, All nature, all formations, all creatures exist in and with
one another, and they will be resolved again into their own roots.
23) For the nature of matter is resolved into the roots of its own nature alone.
24) He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
30) Matter gave birth to a passion that has no equal, which proceeded from
something contrary to nature. Then there arises a disturbance in its whole body.
31) That is why I said to you, Be of good courage, and if you are discouraged be
encouraged in the presence of the different forms of nature.
32) He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
Royal Astronomical Society, 20 March 2002
“Their results show that the universe is full of dark energy, completely
consistent with the earlier supernovae results. "It seems that Einstein did not
make a blunder after all -- dark energy appears to exist and to dominate over
more conventional types of matter," Efstathiou said. "An explanation of the dark
energy may involve String Theory, extra dimensions or even what happened before
the Big Bang. At present nobody knows. The ball is now firmly in the theorists
Dark Matter, Energy Puzzling Astronomers
June 19, 2003
Only recently have researchers come to understand the pivotal role it played in
the formation of stars, planets and even people.
“The surface of the Earth is the shore of the cosmic ocean. On this shore we’ve
learned most of what we know. Recently, we’ve waded a little way out, maybe
ankle-deep, and the water seems inviting. Some part of our being knows this is
where we came from. We long to return. And we can’t, because the cosmos is also
within us. We’re "made" of star stuff. We are a way that the cosmos can know
itself. The journey for each of us begins here.”
- Carl Sagan
HOW TO MAKE MONEY
by: warpl00 (26/M/OP, KS) 06/16/05 04:05 pm
1) Take a renaissance artist.
2) Add "code" after his name.
3) Use it for a title for a fictional book with a few factual coincidences.
4) Let the cash flow like wine.
HOW TO MAKE RELIGION
1) Take an influential teacher
2) Add “god”, “son of god”, “lord”, “savior” before or after his name.
3) Ignore his teachings, create rules, preach dogma and practice tribal rituals.
4) Let the cash flow and serve wine.
"Since the promulgation of Christianity, the two
greatest systems of tyranny that have sprung from this original, are the canon
and the feudal law."
- A Dissertation on the Canon and Feudal Law by John Adams, 1765
The Gospel According to Mary 9
7) Now I see you contending against the woman like the adversaries.
8) But if the Savior made her worthy, who are you indeed to reject her? Surely
the Savior knows her very well.
9) That is why He loved her more than us. Rather let us be ashamed and put on
the perfect Man, and separate as He commanded us and preach the gospel, not
laying down any other rule or other law beyond what the Savior said.
1 Timothy 2 : (KJV)
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but
to be in silence.
Matthew 15 :(KJV)
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their
lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise
ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as
the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory
of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand
5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love
to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they
may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut
thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in
secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think
that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye
have need of, before ye ask him.
<< Well fundie filth, I've asked you "god" to
strike me dead repeatedly and prove she's for real. She hasn't, showing she's
just a hopeless incompetent. >>
Beautiful Mother Earth
Loved, warmed, and made fertile by Father Sun, our Beautiful Mother Earth gives
birth to, nurtures, and sustains us all:: Green Growing People, Standing People
(Trees), Water Dwellers, Winged Ones, Creepy Crawlies, Four-leggeds and Two-leggeds.
Materials for our homes, clothes, and tools of all kinds, as well as the food we
eat -- all are provided by our Mother, the Earth. In this era we two-leggeds
have not properly appreciated this, nor taken care of her. We need to start
doing so NOW, or she may not be able to continue to give so generously and
GAIA: A New Look at Life on Earth
The Gaia hypothesis, first put forth in the mid-1960s, and published in book
form in 1975, explores the idea that the life of earth functions as a single
organism which actually defines and maintains conditions necessary for its
survival. Disclaiming the conventional belief that living matter reacts
passively in the face of threats to its existence, Lovelock argues that the
earth's living matter - air, ocean, and land surfaces - forms a complex system
which has the capacity to keep our planet a fit place for life.
And they asked him in amazement: "Who is our Mother and which her angels? And
where is her kingdom?"
"Your Mother is in you, and you in her. She bore you she gives you life. it was
she who gave to you your body, and to her shall you one day give it back again.
Happy are you when you come to know her and her kingdom; …
"The blood which runs in us is born of the blood of our Earthly Mother. Her
blood falls from the clouds; leaps from the womb of the earth; babbles in the
brooks of the mountains; flows wide in the rivers of the plains; sleeps in the
lakes; rages mightily in tempestuous seas.
"The air which we breathe is born of the breath of our Earthly Mother. Her
breath is azure in the heights of t heavens; soughs in the tops of the
mountains; whispers the leaves of the forest; billows over the cornfields;
slumbers in the deep valleys, burns hot in the desert.
"The hardness of our bones is born of the bones of our Earthly Mother, of the
rocks and of the stones. They stand naked to the heavens on the tops of
mountains; are as giants that lie sleeping on the sides of the mountains, as
idols set in the desert, and are hidden in the deepness of the earth.
"The tenderness of our flesh is born of the flesh of our Earthly Mother; whose
flesh waxes yellow and red in the fruits of the trees, and nurtures us in the
furrows of the fields.
"Our bowels are born of the bowels of our Earthly Mother, and are hid from our
eyes, like the invisible depths of the earth.
"The light of our eyes, the hearing of our ears, both are born of the colors and
the sounds of our Earthly Mother; which enclose us about, as the waves of the
sea a fish, as the eddying air a bird.
And all those round about him listened to his words with amazement, for his word
was with power, and he taught quite otherwise than the priests and scribes.
"Hello little sheep. I'm happy that you believe
in your god. Believing there is a reward at the end of your miserable little
life controls you and keeps you sorrowfully happy. Your morals, ethics and
behavior are based on your religious beliefs. If you ever wake up and realize
your god is a myth created to control you, you would act on your true urges and
only get yourself into trouble. You would become a problem for society..."
happypantheist (42/M/Atlanta, GA) 12/21/04 06:52 pm,
Christianity is great!!!
"When any government, or any church
for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, 'This you may not read, this
you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,' the end result is tyranny and
oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to
control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force
can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission
bombs, not anything--you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill
- Robert A. Heinlein
3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the kingdom is in the sky,'
then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the
sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it
is outside you.
When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that
you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then
you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."
“The Nag Hammadi Library, a collection of thirteen ancient codices containing
over fifty texts, was discovered in upper Egypt in 1945. This immensely
important discovery includes a large number of primary Gnostic scriptures --
texts once thought to have been entirely destroyed during the early Christian
struggle to define "orthodoxy"
The Council of Nicea
…Constantine accomplished more, however, for the Nicene council also ratified
his own power and Christianity would begin the long struggle, lasting to this
day, between the anti-political ideas of Jesus of Nazareth and the Christianity
that is compromised to allow for human authority and power.
Elaine Pagels on "Jesus and his Message in the Gnostic Gospels"
Indeed, the suppression of the Gnostic gospels fits the pattern of rational
patriarchy that has marked the Church throughout the centuries. …The forced
exclusion of these Gnostic elements have kept hidden from Christians many
aspects of their faith--until now
The Gnostics believed that by investigating the source of sorrow, joy, love and
hate, one could cultivate insight and discover God as the fountainhead of all of
these states of being. The significance of Jesus is interpreted to be that of a
model, one whose instruction to come and know oneself as he did will transform
human beings into sons (and daughters) of God like him. Consistent with the
scholarly consensus that Jesus' purpose was not to found a new religion
centering its devotion upon him, the Gospel of Philip, a companion text to the
gospel of Thomas, urges followers not to become Christians, but rather new
Christs. …In addition, it seems clear that the Gnostics had some contact with
Buddhism in the formation of their ideas.
“The word Buddha is a generic term, meaning the Enlightened One. It refers to a
person who has realized the Dhamma and attained enlightenment. This
enlightenment, as we have seen, is open to all, and so is Buddhahood. …this
Buddha-nature is the inherent potential for enlightenment, which can be
cultivated and actualize
"That's all very nice, but it is all written by
man, and perpetuated by man. Man created God in all kinds of religions."
happypantheist (42/M/Atlanta, GA) 12/21/04 07:07 pm
"It may be that our role on this planet is not to
worship God, but to create him."
- Arthur C. Clarke
"How much do we humans enjoy our current status as the most intelligent beings
on earth? Enough to try to stop our own inventions from surpassing us in smarts?
If so, we'd better pull the plug right now, because if Ray Kurzweil is right
we've only got until about 2020 before computers outpace the human brain in
computational power. Kurzweil, artificial intelligence expert and author of The
Age of Intelligent Machines, shows that technological evolution moves at an
exponential pace. ...This means that we'd better figure out how to deal with
conscious machines as soon as possible--they'll soon not only be able to beat us
at chess, but also likely demand civil rights, and might at last realize the
very human dream of immortality."
- The Age of Spiritual Machines: When Computers Exceed Human Intelligence by Ray
He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
ASIMO one step closer to acquiring human touch
Dec 15, 2004, By KAHO SHIMIZU.
The latest version of ASIMO, the humanoid robot developed by Honda Motor Co.,
has taken a step closer to humanity
The Forgotten - “Native artists, early watchers of the stars, leave us
tantalizing reminders of their presence in the Southwest.
Revelation 1 :(KJV)
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw
seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man,
clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes
were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his
voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp
twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand
upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore,
Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the
things which shall be hereafter;
THE BARRIER CANYON ROCK ART STYLE
“The Holy Ghost composition has the appearance of visual depth. At a distance,
it is easy to see the composition, framed by a shallow arch, as a group of dark
figures standing, or hovering, around (behind, in front, and to the sides) a
tall light figure (Holy Ghost) which is, literally and figuratively, "head and
shoulders" above them. In addition, the head of the Holy Ghost is represented in
a three-quarter view—the only three-dimensional representation of an
anthropomorphic head in Utah and, probably, the United States.”
“We are accustomed to seeing convincing representations of visual space in the
paintings of today but this interest (on the part of the artist) in recreating a
three-dimensional space on a flat surface really only extends, scholars think,
to the classical Greeks (ca. 300 b.c.e.) and, certainly, the European
Renaissance (ca. c.e. 1400). The Holy Ghost Group was probably painted before
2,000 b.c.e., perhaps well before.”
“What could account for this early, clearly intentional, representation of the
space of the "real world"—in a world of prehistoric rock art, which was, for
tens of thousands of years, dominated by a flat-looking, frontal or profile,
two-dimensional image and format or visual space?”
E-mail to media concerning Anthrax killers
Have you heard of Zecharia Sitchin? He's drawn some interesting conclusions
from his extensive translation of Sumerian writings. His view is that people
from space genetically engineered humans in their image, and were an integral
part of history/civilization in Sumerian times. He has hypothesis about most
other early civilizations also, but the Sumerian is the most researched. Check
out these links:
http://www.sitchin.com/ <<the official
I found a site with some ideas similar to yours. I think you might
particularly like the scientific angle, although I make no claims about it's
Here's an excerpt:
"In short, we now know that the Sun, the space
between the planets and the planets themselves are all showing increased
luminosity, increased magnetism and increased energy. This undeniably
demonstrates that the entire Solar System is charging up, apparently reaching
a critical threshold. As mentioned in our SOM article, we have already seen
the following, among many other things: "
While it's true I am somewhat amused by the paradox of finding references to the
most advanced science in the oldest of sources. I really appreciate this kind of
supporting material for my theory as I tend not to seek it out. You seem to have
a tendency to locate and send me information that I wouldn't look for but is
very useful and relevant.
And now for your amusement consider that I sent the following message to six
different corporate news providers on November 1 (MSNBC, CBS, CNN, 20/20 etc.).
I was motivated to try to send it to the e-mail addresses that they made
available for the purpose of discrediting "rumors" on the Internet. The
implication being that if you look for answers on the Internet you are gullible
and you should instead consume their "quality" information. (I lied a little
about "a friend forwarded". But it's not much of a lie because I put my real
name and address anywhere it was asked for and if they read my site they will
know it is me. According to my site logs at least two of them did.)
Well, A friend forwarded the following web page to me
and I thought you folks might be interested in looking into it.
It compares the events at the World Trade Center to
the book of Revelation in the bible. As crazy as that sounds there is quite a
bit of supporting evidence of the US governments duplicity involving
international terrorism. The site includes convincing citations from other web
Could it be true that the CIA is really behind the formation and support of
terrorist groups in Afghanistan? I saw a Frontline program on PBS that showed
the CIA bombing a mosque.
I also had another thought. If evidence of CIA involvement in international
terrorism is so well known and after 9/11 everyone was looking for the root
cause of the attack don't you think that Congress was starting to take another
look at CIA activities?
Here's the most disturbing idea I had. If the CIA actively commits and
supports acts of terrorism and Congress began investigating them, then what do
you think they would do to protect themselves? It’s curious "law enforcement"
doesn't have any leads on the Anthrax outbreaks isn't it? Particularly the
weapons grade stuff found in Senator Dashle's office? One of the results of
these outbreaks has been to give the CIA and FBI more power. Let's see, the
CIA has the motive, the means and the opportunity. hmmm.
If this is true who can stop them?
That was on a Thursday. Guess what the number one question was in the
standing room only Q&A with FBI Director Mueller the next day? "Don't you have
any leads on the Anthrax attacks specifically the weapons grade material found
in Senator Dashle's office?" Both the reporters and Mueller appeared seriously
concerned. Mueller's basic response was that they could not report any progress
but, "We are looking into ALL leads." He did indeed lean
forward and emphasize "all". The reporters kept asking variations of the same
question that day and for a couple of weeks afterwards. Notice I didn't mention
attacks against the media? I let the reader fill that part in. Also notice how
most of what I wrote is phrased as questions. Extroverted Intuition can be very
influential when used effectively.
Today I heard mention only once on CNN but I can't find confirmation of it on the
web that the current word on some of the Anthrax samples is that they appear to
be the same as that produced in the United States as part of a biological
weapons program that was "ended" five years ago. Apparently the "quality" of
this material is so lethal that even enclosed in envelopes some material
apparently escaped and is the explanation for the various deaths such as the
woman who worked in a mail room and the 94 year old woman. Oh, I also understand
that two other federal intelligence agencies now report to the CIA. I suppose we
won't be hearing about CIA involvement from them will we? (Here are
subsequent articles which quietly implicate the CIA in the Anthrax attacks.
For a web page of only politics please go
here or the
section of this site,
Anthrax Sender May Have Military Past, Daschle Says
Saturday December 8 1:51 PM ET
“Asked if he believes the source was someone with a military background, Daschle
said, ``That's correct.'' Daschle has been in frequent contact with
U.S. Army Has Anthrax Strain
Thursday December 13 10:41 AM ET
"For years, U.S. Army scientists in Utah have been developing a powdered form of
anthrax that matches the strain used in the deadly letters that have killed five
people since September, according to a published report.”
Capitol Hill Anthrax Matches Army's Stocks
Sunday, December 16, 2001; Page A01
“The FBI's investigation into the anthrax attacks is increasingly focusing on
whether U.S. government bioweapons research programs, including one conducted by
the CIA, may have been the source of deadly anthrax powder sent through the
mail, according to sources with knowledge of the probe. The results of the
genetic tests strengthen that possibility.”
“The CIA declined to say where its Ames strain material came from.”
Law enforcement sources, however, said the FBI remains extremely interested in
the CIA's work with anthrax, with one official calling it the best lead they
have at this point. The sources said FBI investigators do not yet know much
about the CIA program.
A law enforcement source said the FBI did not initially include the CIA on its
list of labs working with anthrax because the agency was not among 91 labs
registered with the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to
transfer anthrax specimens. But as investigators interviewed workers at those
known labs, they learned of the CIA's work, and in the past few weeks posed
questions about it to the agency.
WARS OF THE CIA - Part 1
JOHN STOCKWELL, 10 October 1987
"I did 13 years in the CIA altogether. ..We're talking about 10 to 20
thousand covert actions [the CIA has performed since 1961]. What I found was
that lots and lots of people have been killed in these things.... Some of them
are very, very bloody.”
All quiet on the anthrax front?
By Andy Oppenheimer, 05 June 2002
Even before 9.11, there was growing concern over the possible use of
anthrax as a biological weapon. On 2 October 2001, this fear became reality as
anthrax outbreaks, the result of a biological agent delivered through the mail,
began to occur in the USA.
Weapons-grade anthrax, usually fatal in its pulmonary (inhalation) form, was
removed, refined and eventually posted. It killed five people (not the mail
recipients), sickened 17 others, paralysed mail delivery, forced many senators
to evacuate their offices for more than two months, terrified the nation and
caused some 35,000 more to take prophylactic antibiotics. There have been 15,000
anthrax hoaxes and false threats. The incidents have forced 540 postal
facilities to close temporarily and have resulted in 71 arrests.
The anthrax discovered in the letters mailed to two US senators was so refined
that it contained 1 trillion spores per gram. It was milled to produce the size
most effective in spreading the bacteria: between one and three microns. This
size is characteristic of weaponized anthrax made by US defense laboratories.
Anthrax attacks: FBI cover-up and New York Times whitewash
By Patrick Martin, 15 May 2002
A new genetic analysis of the anthrax used in last fall’s terrorist
attacks has pinpointed the source as the US government’s own germ warfare
program. This finding explodes the pretense, long maintained by the Bush
administration and parroted by the media, that little is known in the
investigation into the attacks, which killed five people and disrupted the lives
This cover-up has a clear political motivation: either the perpetrator is an
individual with powerful friends in high places in the Bush administration,
whose influence is stalling the probe, or the perpetrator is actually a US
While the genetic evidence lays out a virtual blueprint for the investigation
into the anthrax attacks, there are more accounts of foot-dragging by the US
government. ABC News reported April 4 that US military and intelligence agencies
have refused to provide the FBI with a full listing of the secret
facilities and employees working on anthrax projects.
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